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While working off a penalty at trolls I noticed that of 28XP points gained per kill, 23 went to working off the penalty, and 5 went to adding to my total. =/ Just a random thought; If you lowered the xp gain for higher levels, maybe the game is splitting the xp gain in half first, then putting 23 (half the original base xp value, 46 for trolls maybe?) in the penalty. Then taking the other half, and lowering it for my level, which leaves only 5, and putting it to the total.

Glorfindelus wrote:While working off a penalty at trolls I noticed that of 28XP points gained per kill, 23 went to working off the penalty, and 5 went to adding to my total. =/ Just a random thought; If you lowered the xp gain for higher levels, maybe the game is splitting the xp gain in half first, then putting 23 (half the original base xp value, 46 for trolls maybe?) in the penalty. Then taking the other half, and lowering it for my level, which leaves only 5, and putting it to the total.

At the moment as it is, i dont like the penalty exp, its to fucking huge and you dont spot it unless you check all the time and it would easier if it was visually stealing exp until you delevled(a consequence for being a retard as as$monkey whom cant stay alive?)

You quoted yourself...fancy.

Anyway, I'm still working on penalty xp. If enough people don't like it I'll go back to just taking away your exp on death.

I don't get why people hate it, at least you're still getting exp one way or another. Also, look how easy it is to get amulets!

I personally love the current system. Knowing how much experience you lost is kind of nice, gives you a good feeling when you get rid of it all.

My own 2 cents:

(1) It would be nice to have a visual indicator of some sort on screen, if possible: it has been bugging me that I have to check my stats screen to see how much is left. I realize this adds one more thing to the HUD, but it might be worth it. What do yall think?

(2) It does seem to get very high very quickly. This is probably something that we shouldn't worry about just yet, because it's difficult to tell if the system is inherently flawed until we've spent some time trying to make it work by adjusting the numbers. If it still seems to have problems after some time, then we can start to think about adjusting the system itself--and even when it comes to that there are a good number of measures that can be taken short of scrapping the system entirely (and I at least think the system is worth trying to preserve).

ffrank wrote:I don't get why people hate it, at least you're still getting exp one way or another. Also, look how easy it is to get amulets!

This is Beta everything is easy and with penalty you are actually not gaining exp you are working down the penalty until you can gain exp again.
and amulets should have a short key.

Glorfin said : I personally love the current system. Knowing how much experience you lost is kind of nice, gives you a good feeling when you get rid of it all.

adressing glorfin: Knowing how much exp you lost? wouldnt it be easier to see that visually? and maybe then if people wanted the "EXACT" number of exp they lost, they could add a battlelog that shows hp gains/losses Exp gains/losses Dmg done/taken?, with this you would actually tackle several lacks, one would be finding out and analysing why you lost a battle and then setting up new strategic ways to defeating your enemy.

i hate having a number telling me that i cant gain exp before ive hunted down 3k, instead of just hunting down 3k and getting it over with.

marzuku wrote:

ffrank wrote:I don't get why people hate it, at least you're still getting exp one way or another. Also, look how easy it is to get amulets!

This is Beta everything is easy and with penalty you are actually not gaining exp you are working down the penalty until you can gain exp again.
and amulets should have a short key.

Glorfin said : I personally love the current system. Knowing how much experience you lost is kind of nice, gives you a good feeling when you get rid of it all.

adressing glorfin: Knowing how much exp you lost? wouldnt it be easier to see that visually? and maybe then if people wanted the "EXACT" number of exp they lost, they could add a battlelog that shows hp gains/losses Exp gains/losses Dmg done/taken?, with this you would actually tackle several lacks, one would be finding out and analysing why you lost a battle and then setting up new strategic ways to defeating your enemy.

i hate having a number telling me that i cant gain exp before ive hunted down 3k, instead of just hunting down 3k and getting it over with.

Wait, what? Actually you are still gaining exp, just not 100% of it. You work off the penalty with 50% of the exp you still gain.

I was going to say, you still gain exp and level up just fine with the penalty, just at half the speed.

Morn wrote:I was going to say, you still gain exp and level up just fine with the penalty, just at half the speed.

what about just have the number above the exp bar..? - 3000 and then we dont need it inside the fucking stats.

We don't need your offensive language.

Vapore wrote:We don't need your offensive language.

every time i write something on this forum i automaticly expect you to reply vapore.

might it be cause you still are angry for the last time you didnt win an argument?
my language has nothing to do with my point so go away and troll some one else who cares.

marzuku wrote:my language has nothing to do with my point so go away and troll some one else who cares.

That's exactly why it's not needed...you prove his point..

As far as I can tell Marzuku you're the only one who really hates the current exp system. Though you did make a few suggestions that might be worth reading if it wasn't so hard to recognize them as suggestions. For those who might have missed them.

Put a physical represenation on the HUD of the remaining exp penalty, much like the current exp bar. or even an optional countdown of the penalty over the HUD.

You also recommended going to the classic system of losing the exp, arguing that it would be easier to work it off. Think about it this way. Say you were level 60 and only 10k exp from level 61. you died four times without a amulet (stupid yes, but likely in some people's case) and gathered an 100k penalty. In the old system you would have to gain 110k before leveling up, under this system you only have to gain 20k before you level up, and you'd still have a 90K penalty.

I also like the current system much better than just flat out losing experience. Once again atleast you are still getting a little bit of experience on top of what you have already made as oppose to regrinding the experience you have lost. I still think the penalty needs to be adjusted. I'm not exactly sure how it works now but maybe make experience loss dependent on your current penalty and current level. If you have a huge penalty already for a certain level you should not gain as much penalty when you do.

For example if at level 20 I die and gain -5000 penalty. Then if I die, it the penalty should be like -2500, then die again, and the penalty is -1000, then die again and it is -500, so I have a total of -9000 penalty, and from here on in, I will only lose only -500, unless I get back above -9000 penalty.

I think given the fact that we still gain exp, the penalty should remain high. It needs to be hard work to get atone for dying, especially if your going to do it over and over again.

You know, I never really liked the exp loss system in Xen as it makes you feel like you lost the time gained through leveling up. The item penalty is enough as is.

i know why im losing this arguement tbh, as i read throughout the posts, people are saying "i never liked losing exp on xen" etc in different forms.

you all are semi hardcore pve players, if you really played on the server where people pk'd and really were enemies to the bone, then the worst thing one could do to some one was kill them, make them lose bag, and then make them lose exp.

i dont expect some kids to understand this when they probably never did take the exp from other players in pk, and most likely lost it at gy or falling into a pit.

also to remind you, the pvp aspects of xen is what made it so cool.